Vettel has more wins than Alonso after ‘grand slam’

81 comments on “Vettel has more wins than Alonso after ‘grand slam’”

1. 

   Retired (@jeff1s)
   23rd September 2013, 12:00

   The kid we saw evolve has grown up!

   What a performance he’s done yesterday! Greeted by a McLaren and all-grid drivers’ fan.
2. 

   MazdaChris (@mazdachris)
   23rd September 2013, 12:02

   It’s starting to feel inevitable that Vettel and Red Bull are going to go on to break pretty much all the records except maybe the ‘big’ ones held by Ferrari and McLaren for numbers of wins and championships.

   How well they interpret the rules change for next year will be a massive factor in how far they can go. So far they’ve only had success in one generation of rules stability. To prove their worth properly I think doing it again will pretty much silence the few doubters that remain.
   1. 

      Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
      23rd September 2013, 12:07

      I’m hoping Mercedes or Ferrari (perhaps even McLaren) might give them a run for their money @mazdachris :-)
   2. 

      Younger Hamii (@younger-hamii)
      23rd September 2013, 13:52

      In terms of budget and subsequently resources, Red Bull are a much bigger team than their were prior to 2009, likely due to them being one of the “surprises”, along with Brawn, at the beginning of this current technical era and it gained them that attraction. For interpreting the rules and regulations, I think it’s fair to say they’re best placed to do that.

      Having said that, I feel that they’ll definietely be up there, it’s just the case of their rivals, namely Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren, using the new engine formula as an opportunity to step up and break their dominance.
   3. 

      Mike Dee (@mike-dee)
      23rd September 2013, 14:00

      I think Vettel will also not be able to pass Schumacher’s tally of 91 wins, as well as some of Schumacher’s other records.
      1. 

         Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
         23rd September 2013, 21:02

         @mike-dee agreed – Schumacher’s Ferrari spell was just too dominant and I doubt we’ll see a car as good as the F2004 for a while (if at all). World championships is absolutely game on though – an almost inevitable 4 after this season and he’s only 26. That’s doable.
   4. 

      Hamilfan (@hamilfan)
      23rd September 2013, 14:32

      @mazdachris Yesterday Newey had this to say ” Yes, most of the parts we are bringing are related to next year’s car as well , they are cousins in a way ”
      That’s when I shuddered a bit
      1. 

         safeeuropeanhome (@debaser91)
         23rd September 2013, 14:40

         Guess people will have to lay their hopes on Renault’s engine being inferior to Mercedes and Ferrari’s if they want it to be more competitive next season.
      2. 

         crr917 (@crr917)
         23rd September 2013, 14:47

         Newey said after Spa race that Monza, Singapore and Abu Dhabi will be the toughest races for RBR.
         1. 

            iAltair (@)
            23rd September 2013, 15:26

            I don’t see how tough is it for Monza and Singapore, or was it only Vettel that made it looked easy.
3. 

   Albert
   23rd September 2013, 12:15

   I’m very impressed by Vettel’s performance this season. Flawless, every lap driven with mastery. While more experienced (and also extremely talented!) drivers (ALO, HAM, RAI) have made mistakes or weak performances, Vettel has been constantly superb this season, at the top of his game both in qualifying and in race. He has been, no doubt, the most complete driver.

   One can argue 2010 or 2012, or give the credit of 2011 to the car, but 2013 is his year, and he has done a magnificent job to deserve it.

   Kudos of course to RBR. Amazing the car, the crew performance and organization. McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes, titanic names in motorsport have been left scratching their heads. This performance (4 years already) is something special.
   1. 

      Seri (@seri)
      23rd September 2013, 17:05

      Hamilton has contested only 9 GPs more than Vettel, how does that qualify him as being “more experienced”. You make it sound like he’s one of the old school drivers.
      1. 

         Albert
         23rd September 2013, 18:02

         Really? I thought it was more than that. My mistake!
4. 

   Racer (@racer)
   23rd September 2013, 12:28

   Worth mentioning in the notes that Schumacher would have had 4 in a row in Belgium if not for his 1994 disqualification?
   1. 

      Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
      23rd September 2013, 14:36

      @racer Good point – added.
   2. 

      Stefanauss (@stefanauss)
      23rd September 2013, 19:08

      Also Michael Schumacher would have matched the record of 5 consecutive wins at the same track, had he not choosen the megaepicfailed parade with Barrichello at USA 2002.
5. 

   Ben (@benchuiii)
   23rd September 2013, 12:32

   The number of safety car appearances in Singapore has alternated between 2 and 1 in the six races so far.
6. 

   Bleu (@bleu)
   23rd September 2013, 12:32

   Vettel beat his earlier best in “biggest victory margin” by over ten seconds. Here’s his 15+ second wins:
   Singapore 2013 – 32,6
   Australia 2011 – 22,2
   Japan 2012 – 20,6
   Abu Dhabi 2009 – 17,8
   Belgium 2013 – 16,8
   Britain 2009 – 15,1

   Vettel has led less than half of the laps in races he won just once: Malaysia this year (21/56). In total, 33 races have included 1900 laps, of which Vettel has led 1680. Percentual breakdown:
   100% = 9
   90-100% = 13
   80-90% = 2
   70-80% = 6
   60-70% = 1 (Singapore 12)
   50-60% = 1 (Spain 11)
   <50% = 1

   Another thing coming to my mind is that Paul di Resta has retired last four races after retiring only five in his first 47.
7. 

   Häkä
   23rd September 2013, 12:33

   Räikkönen has 28 third place finishes, tied with Barrichello for the most now. Alonso comes next with 26.

   Kimi also has 76 podiums and 190 entries, meaning he has finished in the top 3 exactly 40% of the races he has entered.
8. 

   sumedh
   23rd September 2013, 12:35

   Can someone do a comparison of Vettel’s performances pre and post summer break. In every full season he has done, I think the post-summer break has contained less errors, more wins, more points. And probably, no other driver has such a huge difference in his pre and post summer break performances.
   1. 

      Karthikeyan (@ridiculous)
      23rd September 2013, 16:48

      2009 – 47 to 84
      2011 – 216 to 392
      2012 – 112 to 281
      Have no idea when the summer break for 2010 was
      1. 

         91jb12 (@91jb12)
         23rd September 2013, 17:40

         note too that the summer break is not half way through the season, it has got closer but in 2009 it was at around 2/3 distance
         2010 151 to 256 (in 7 races)
         I think it works out that in the final 33% of the season, Vettel gets about 40% of his points
         But there is a clear difference (except in 2011)
      2. 

         KaIIe (@kaiie)
         23rd September 2013, 17:53

         Between Hungary and Belgium in 2010. Vettel’s points: 151 to 256 (there were just 7 races after the break, compared to the 8 in 2011/2012 and 9 in 2013).
   2. 

      q85
      23rd September 2013, 19:35

      interesting stats. Though this season has been ill effected by the tyre change which has totally changed the season.

      But still amazing. Great driver
9. 

   MazdaChris (@mazdachris)
   23rd September 2013, 12:43

   Has anyone bothered calculating the total combined time of all the winning margins of previous champions and divided them by the number of wins, to come up with an average winning margin?
   1. 

      BasCB (@bascb)
      23rd September 2013, 13:05

      do we even have reliable data on some of the earlier races to be able to do that?
      1. 

         Bleu (@bleu)
         23rd September 2013, 13:15

         Time gaps should be there, but not certain of all the races which had more than one lap difference between drivers. On Australia 1995 we have following information:
         * Damon Hill won by two laps and 1,765 seconds
         * Hill’s average race lap was 1.20,938
         * Counting two times the average and rest of the gap, his victory margin changed to actual time was 2 minutes and 43,641 seconds.
         1. 

            MazdaChris (@mazdachris)
            23rd September 2013, 16:18

            Are there really that many races where the winner has lapped the entire field?
            1. 

               Jon Sandor (@jonsan)
               23rd September 2013, 22:01

               Yeah, it used to be pretty common.
         2. 

            91jb12 (@91jb12)
            23rd September 2013, 17:43

            But remember, if the others had to complete those 2 laps, Panis smoking Ligier would not have got there before the Footwork of Morbidell (who trailed by about 10 seconds)i which was lapping much slower than Hill, so you’re looking at 3 minutes almost!
10. 

    Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74)
    23rd September 2013, 12:45

    A flawless season turned in by Vettel. No politicking from Alonso or Ferrari this year. Webber doesn’t seem to be intent on sabotage. Lewis is still mending a broken heart. Not much anyone can say, except to hope for next year.
    1. 

       celeste (@celeste)
       23rd September 2013, 13:24

       Lewis is still mending a broken heart.

       I loled so hard at this
11. 

    iFelix (@ifelix)
    23rd September 2013, 12:49

    Next stop for him is Senna, but he certainly wouldn’t be able to do it this season even if he wins all the remaining races.
    1. 

       Journeyer (@journeyer)
       23rd September 2013, 13:29

       @ifelix I see Vettel matching or beating that record at… Monaco 2014. Senna’s favorite track, 20 years on from the first GP after he left us. That would be something.
       1. 

          iFelix (@ifelix)
          23rd September 2013, 14:18

          @journeyer
          I wonder if he would also burst into tears like Michael after doing this feat?!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXDfWhAUog‎
          1. 

             Chad (@chaddy)
             23rd September 2013, 15:17

             I’d say doubtful, as Vettel was 6 or 7 when Senna died, and wasn’t driving right behind him at the time.

             That is a nice video though– always thought it was a nice moment in F1 history.
          2. 

             OmarR-Pepper (@)
             23rd September 2013, 15:36

             Michael knew Ayrton, that’s why I think it really touched his feeliings. add to that the fact Ayrton died.
             But I don’t expect (and didn’t expect) Alonso or Vettel crying when they broke Mansell’s tally of race wins, for example.
             1. 

                OmarR-Pepper (@)
                23rd September 2013, 15:38

                @ifelix
             2. 

                iFelix (@ifelix)
                23rd September 2013, 18:31

                @omarr-pepper
                Whenever Rocky wants Seb to take an advice of caution seriously reminds him of a Senna race. It seems that Seb somehow idolises Ayrton.
                That is no reason to get emotional in this particular situation. But I guess we can see how this would turn our in 1-2 years :)
          3. 

             ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh)
             23rd September 2013, 17:32

             Vettel will burst into tears when he beats his heroes feat of seven Drivers Championships.
12. 

    GT
    23rd September 2013, 13:01

    I find it rather amusing that out of the current crop of drivers, the only ones to have 3 or more consequtive victories at the same circut are Raikkonen, Alonso, and Massa! For as much grief as Massa gets about his performance, he has that place in the record books.
    1. 

       q85
       23rd September 2013, 19:40

       because he is a very good driver.
       1. 

          Hic142 (@hic142)
          24th September 2013, 1:37

          *Was a good driver.

          Hasn’t been the same since the accident.
          1. 

             Joey-Poey (@joey-poey)
             25th September 2013, 14:22

             I don’t think it was the accident so much as Hockenheim 2010 that broke him.
13. 

    pSynrg (@psynrg)
    23rd September 2013, 13:11

    I’m getting a real buzz from watching history being made as I did when enjoying the Schumacher years. Can’t believe the Schumacher achievement is actually being challenged already! Vettel is the greatest…

    Another favorite stat up there has got to be Renault only one pole away from Ferrari’s all time record. You know, Ferrari, exclusive, expensive, the revered and so called foundation of F1 versus the Regie. The union/state owned car manufacturer who struggle to sell anything other than bread and butter cars to the masses.

    Stick that up your Montezemolo!
    1. 

       Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
       23rd September 2013, 17:37

       I really hope not. I think Vettel is a great driver, but certainly not worthy of 8 world titles, nor was Schumacher (7) for that matter.
       1. 

          MNM101 (@mnm101)
          24th September 2013, 4:01

          and who is exactly ?
          1. 

             Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
             24th September 2013, 9:25

             no one, 4 WDC maximum for a driver I think.
       2. 

          Journeyer (@journeyer)
          24th September 2013, 6:05

          @full-throttle-f1 You can argue their greatness, but you certainly can’t argue their championships.
    2. 

       Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
       24th September 2013, 16:26

       I don’t think you can have too many world titles. That’s just a statistic @full-throttle-f1 of course, and although it definitely means something it can be misleading (for example, Senna winning only 3 or Moss/G. Villeneuve none at all but J. Villeneuve winning one).
14. 

    Mike Dee (@mike-dee)
    23rd September 2013, 14:05

    and the pair finish one-two for the third race in a row

    That seems something quite rare to happen – I guess it happened a few times with Schumacher and Barichello? But were there ever three consecutive identical one-twos by two drivers not in the same team?
    1. 

       Nick (@npf1)
       23rd September 2013, 15:10

       Looking through Wiki from the 90s onwards, here’s some thing I see:

       – In 1993, Alain Prost (Williams) and Michael Schumacher (Benetton) shared a podium for 4 races in a row, but finishing 1-2, 1-3, 1-2 and 1-2 for the Canadian, French, British and German GPs.
       – In 1994, Schumacher (Benetton) and Hill (Williams) finished 1-2 for 3 races in a row (Spanish, Canadian, French GPs) but Hill won the first, Schumacher won the other two.
       – Also in 1994, Hill (Williams) and Hakkinen (McLaren) shared a podium for 4 races in a row, with Hill winning 3 of those (after Schumacher’s DSQ), with the results being 1-2, 1-3, 1-3 and 2-3 for the Belgian, Italian, Portuguese and European GPs.
       – In 2000, Schumacher (Ferrari) and Hakkinen (McLaren) finishing 1st and 2nd happened 6 times, but never in the same order for 3 consecutive races. They did have a run of 3 races, but Hakkinen won Hungary and Belgium, while Schumacher won at Monza.
       – In 2001, Schumacher (Ferrari) and Coulthard (McLaren) shared a podium 9 times, but never in the same positions for 3 races.
       – With Schumacher’s dominance, he won a lot of races, even 4 in a row, but without having the same driver on the second step. Ferrari did finish 1-2 for the last 5 races, but Schumacher won 2 of them, Barrichello 3, but never 3 in a row.
       – In 2003, Schumacher scored the only hat-trick, with his team-mate Barrichello in 3rd all of them, and Kimi second in the first and final Gps of the streak.
       – Also in 2003, Montoya (Williams) had a streak of 3 2nd place finishes, but 2 of them (in a row) to team-mate Ralf Schumacher and one to Barrichello (Ferrari).
       – In 2004, Schumacher and Barrichello got 3 consecutive 1-2s for Ferrari in the European, Canadian and US GPs. Jenson Button (BAR) finished 3rd in the European and Canadian GPs.
       – In 2005, Fernando Alonso (Renault) was the only one to win 3 times in a row (Jarno Trulli for Toyota finishing 2nd for 2 of them) and to finish second 3 times in a row (Raikkonen for McLaren winning the first and last of that streak, but his McLaren teammate Montoya winning the middle GP) but it still didn’t occur.
       – 2006 saw Alonso (Renault) and Schumacher (Ferrari) finishing 1st and 2nd 8 times, but never 3 times with the same position in a row. The closest they came was when Schumacher won the San Marino and European GPs, where Alonso finished 2nd, but the next GP at Spain was won by Alonso, with Schumacher finishing 2nd. Interestingly enough, the 2006 season saw a Alonso-Schumacher-Raikkonen (McLaren) podium 2 times in a row at the British and Canadian GPs. The US GP thereafter was won by Schumacher, but Alonso and Raikkonen were not on the podium.
       – 2007 saw no hat-tricks, but there was a streak of 4 second places for Hamilton (McLaren), but Alonso (McLaren team mate) and Massa (Ferrari) took the honors, with Alonso winning the first and last of that streak and Massa the middle 2 races of that streak.
       – 2008 had only one three podium streaks, Raikkonen (Ferrari) to three different winners and second placed men.
       – Despite BrawnGP’s dominance, Button and Barrichello only managed a streak of 2 1-2s, both in Button’s favor.
       – In 2011, Vettel managed 2 hat-tricks, with Button appearing on the podium for the second hat-trick, but in 2 2nd and 1 3rd position. Button also finished 3rd in the last 2 races of Vettel’s first hat-trick.
       – In 2012, Vettel and Alonso shared the podium 8 times, but never in the same positions for 3 times in a row.

       In short, it’s been done with team-mates, but never before with 2 different teams! Looking further back, there have been some other close calls, but it usually involves 2 drivers sharing a podium in general for 3 races in a row, or 3 victories and 2 2nd positions ended by a DNF. Especially Senna and Prost had close calls in their days, both as teammates and as rivals. They did manage 3 1-2s in a row for McLaren in 1988, though their total of 1-2 is much higher. Ascari and Farina had 4 1-2s for Ferrari in 1952, but had one 6th place for Farina in the middle of a 5 win-streak of Ascari.

       Jones and Lafiette had a run of 3 1-3s in 1979 for Williams and Ligier, though. I guess that’s the closest we’ve ever been to this. There are also a lot of close calls in the 50s and 60s. Those days had non-WDC events, though, so it could be that it technically happened, or is a lot less close than Wiki suggests.
       1. 

          Nick (@npf1)
          23rd September 2013, 15:11

          It didn’t mean to come out as an essay, but there you have it; a student awaiting approval of his internship has got to do something!
          1. 

             Mike Dee (@mike-dee)
             23rd September 2013, 17:46

             Impressive work! Thanks a lot! It is a bit of an essay indeed.

             @npf1
15. 

    Rajeev (@rajeevreddy91)
    23rd September 2013, 14:20

    I would like to see Hamilton and Alonso drive Redbull after Brazil 2013 just to prove who is better, would Redbull accept such a challenge.?
    1. 

       Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
       23rd September 2013, 17:44

       @rajeevreddy91 And would Mercedes let the driver they have just spent a vast amount of money on drive a Renault-engined car?

       I think both are equally unlikely. That’s why you hardly ever see anything like it happen. I recall Schumacher driving a Sauber while he was at Ferrari, but they had Ferrari engines, of course.
       1. 

          Nick (@npf1)
          23rd September 2013, 20:04

          The most common reason I’ve heard through the years is Sauber asking him to help them with some balance issues, as this link states. Pretty weird to see his helmet in that car though, but not as weird as the time DC borrowed Schumacher’s helmet.
       2. 

          Gerdoner (@gerdoner)
          23rd September 2013, 20:29

          @rajeevreddy91 @keithcollantine @npf1 Schumacher also tested a Ligier when he was at Benetton, but ofc they were (part?-) owned by Briatore at the time.
    2. 

       Albert
       23rd September 2013, 18:04

       Difficult for Red Bull to accept a challenge no one has made :P I mean, HAM has contract with Mercedes, and seems relatively happy there. And RBR doesn’t seem interested in him, Horner wanted Raikkonen.
    3. 

       Oople
       23rd September 2013, 19:55

       Even if this were to happen, you can’t explicitly say that the results are conclusive of who is better.
       I mean, after the entire year, perhaps the RB9 was built with some focus on the driving styles of Vettel and Webber in mind… A style that may or may not also suit other drivers.

       Just because, for example, Vettel is faster than Hamilton in the RB9, doesn’t make Vettel the better driver.
       It would take the two drivers being in the same team for an entire year, and as neutral a focused car as possible, to really note true superiority.
       1. 

          sumedh
          24th September 2013, 8:28

          I think what Rajeev is implying that Hamilton and Alonso are so much better that they will beat Vettel in a car that is built around Vettel.

          Remember the cardinal rules of being an F1 fan in 2013
          1) Newey -> Genius,
          2) RB9 -> Super-fast rocket-ship,
          3) Ferrari and Mercedes -> Bullock carts
          4) Alonso and Hamilton -> Fastest drivers on the planet
          5) Vettel -> Slower than our grandmoms.
          1. 

             Carlos Furtado das Neves
             24th September 2013, 20:57

             Sadly, neither one of my Grandmoms won 3 WDC…
             By the way, IS Alain Prost related to you…???
             RB9 is a real F1 racing car, not an italian trash!
             Alonso is waiting for a miracle, is own words.
             Keep on booing, the kid will keep on win races.
16. 

    crr917 (@crr917)
    23rd September 2013, 14:43

    Someone knows when was the last time the leader was pulling 2-3s per lap from the field on a dry track beside Valencia 2012?
    1. 

       plushpile (@plushpile)
       24th September 2013, 4:18

       Webber was pulling a similar gap over Alonso in Hungary 2010.
       1. 

          David-A (@david-a)
          24th September 2013, 4:44

          I don’t think that was in the region of 3 seconds and MW wasn’t even the fastest driver in that race.
    2. 

       Journeyer (@journeyer)
       24th September 2013, 6:08

       @crr917 Hungary 1998 comes to mind.
17. 

    petebaldwin (@)
    23rd September 2013, 15:35

    I don’t want Red Bull to struggle next year – I want them to be as fast as they are this year! I just want the other teams to step their game up and compete.

    This year appears to have been a bit of a farce because most teams designed their cars to be easy on very specific tyres that were then changed.

    I look forward to everything resetting and hopefully, teams being allowed to create cars to compete under set parameters that won’t be changed mid-season.
18. 

    the_sigman (@sigman1998)
    23rd September 2013, 15:58

    I would like to contribute! Let’s see… still no points for the rookies!! :D
19. 

    Serban7 (@serr7)
    23rd September 2013, 17:01

    A nice thing that I noticed is that last year, at the Singapore GP, the drivers who qualified on the first row of the grid retired in the race while this year the drivers who started from the second row retired.
20. 

    Michael Brown (@)
    23rd September 2013, 17:17

    Räikkönen’s 3rd place is his first podium at the Singapore Grand Prix and his best finish. His previous best finish there was 6th in 2012

    This is the Enstone team’s second podium and best result since Alonso won in 2008.
    1. 

       toiago (@toiago)
       23rd September 2013, 22:43

       Actually Alonso finished third there in 2009, when he was still running for Renault.
21. 

    91jb12 (@91jb12)
    23rd September 2013, 17:48

    Vettel only the 2nd man after Clark to get Grand Chelems in 3 or more consecutive years. Clark did in 4 too! (1962-65?)
    Vettel now the only man to have outqualified his teammate at all 13 races (though Bianchi’s 1 loss was not his fault)- he’s also beaten Webber every race except for when he DNFed at Silverstone… however Alonso hasn’t lost to Massa in a race when both finished since China 2011!
22. 

    Havergal
    23rd September 2013, 17:54

    Apologies if this has been mentioned above, but I thought it quite nice that the drivers who finished 1, 2 and 3 on the podium have won 3, 2 and 1 championships respectively.
23. 

    KaIIe (@kaiie)
    23rd September 2013, 18:05

    Since Gutierrez reached Q3, Maldonado (along with the Caterham and Marussia drivers, naturally) is the only driver to have not reached the final part of qualifying this season.

    Despite the changes to the circuit, this was the second slowest Singapore GP, with the 61 laps lasting 1h59min13s.
    1. 

       Oople
       23rd September 2013, 19:59

       @kaiie
       Which is honestly surprising, given Maldonado was revered as a great Qualifier last year.
       It’s a shame that Williams have fallen so far back again.
24. 

    George (@george)
    23rd September 2013, 18:08

    Adrian Sutil Force India Australia Driving too slowly in pit lane

    Love this one!
25. 

    qwerty123456opo
    23rd September 2013, 20:19

    Arent Schumachers Monaco victories missing from that list?
    1. 

       Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
       24th September 2013, 8:36

       Schumacher never won three-in-a-row at Monaco.
26. 

    paulgilb (@paulgilb)
    23rd September 2013, 23:52

    Renault’s 160th fastest lap as an engine supplier – equals Ford Cosworth (the latter’s tally excluding 1 just as Cosworth). Ferrari are ahead on 231.

    3rd race in a row with the same top 2 in the same order: last happened Europe-Canada-USA 2004 (Schumacher-Barrichello). Last time it happened ‘on track’ (as R Schumacher was DQ’d from 2nd in Canada 2004) was Europe 1997 – Brazil 1998 (Hakkinen & Coulthard).

    Close call – Belgium-Italy-Singapore 2011 (Vettel won all 3 with Button finishing 3-2-2).

    Close call – USA-France-Germany 2006 (Schumacher won all 3, Massa finished 2-3-2).

    Close call – Spain to Canada 2006 (3 Alonso-Schumacher 1-2’s in 4 races – the 2 races prior to that were Schumacher-Alonso). If only Schumacher hadn’t done *that* at Monaco…

    First time Vettel has won 3 races in a row at the same track.

    The worse Raikkonen qualifies at Singapore, the higher he finishes.

    Grosjean in 2013 has had 4 points-scoring finishes, then 4 no-scores, then 4 more points-scoring finishes, and now a no-score.

    Pic’s lowest classified finish.

    Only Webber and Chilton are yet to start a race ahead of their team-mates this season.

    And some from magnetimarelli.com (who also pointed out the Hakkinen-Coulthard one that I initially missed above):

    Red Bull have managed the same number of podiums and wins so far in 2013 as in the whole of 2012.

    Last driver to win a dry race by a bigger margin – Raikkonen in Hungary 2005. Hamilton won the wet Britain 2008 by over a minute.

    Alonso has scored the same number of podiums for Ferrari as for Renault (41).

    Raikkonen has now finished on the podium at every track that he raced on prior to his sabbatical.

    Both Lotus drivers have finished on the podium after starting outside the top 10 once this season – the only drivers to have done so in 2013.

    di Resta has had as many non-mechanical DNFs in the last 3 races as he had in his first 2 seasons (3).

    Ricciardo’s first driving-error DNF.
27. 

    Nick (@schneeb)
    24th September 2013, 10:30

    only Sutil could get a penalty for going too slowly… haha!
28. 

    d3v0 (@d3v0)
    24th September 2013, 23:56

    Does anyone else feel like there are two categories anymore?

    1) Vettel’s race against the record books;

    2) RB #2 and Co. versus the rest of the field?

    This weekend, Vettel made the rest of the drivers look like they were driving CRT machines. He is superhuman in an F1 car, but outside the car he is just a boy. Those interviews with him, each time, show how humble he is and how circumspect he is about his life, and his role as the T-Rex of forumla 1.

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