Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Suzuka, 2014

Hamilton’s pure pace proves too much for Rosberg

2014 Japanese Grand Prix lap times and fastest laps

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Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Suzuka, 2014Lewis Hamilton set the fastest lap of the Japanese Grand Prix on lap 39 – just as the conditions were taking a turn for the worse.

Hamilton had been beaten to pole position by team mate Nico Rosberg it dry conditions on Saturday. But in the rain-hit race Hamilton always seemed to have an answer for his team mate’s pace.

Hamilton passed Rosberg on lap 29. Ten laps later, shortly after taking on a fresh set of intermediate rubber, he set the fastest lap of the race.

From then on he could afford to back off over the following laps, yet still he pulled away from his team mate at up to a second per lap. Hamilton extended his lead over Rosberg by a further ten seconds, even as the rain returned and track conditions began to deteriorate.

The extent to which the rainfall forced the drivers to slow down is clear to see over the following laps: The pace slowed by around 1.3 seconds from lap 39 to 41.

Japanese Grand Prix lap times

All the lap times by the drivers (in seconds, very slow laps excluded):


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44
Nico Rosberg 182.649 188.879 166.773 163.979 162.527 162.356 162.027 165.191 114.11 113.134 112.607 116.222 133.308 112.551 113.041 113.675 113.7 113.488 114.002 114.303 114.238 114.192 114.732 114.43 114.642 114.527 114.281 116.164 115.245 114.77 115.095 117.444 134.248 112.886 113.207 115.406 112.88 112.926 113.309 113.708 113.699 114.883 136.083
Lewis Hamilton 184.094 189.166 167.891 161.967 162.678 162.651 162.987 163.556 115.106 113.592 112.563 113.021 115.396 134.049 112.685 113.149 113.446 113.557 114.138 114.061 114.16 114.032 114.504 114.372 114.991 114.278 114.06 113.763 113.347 113.887 114.261 114.247 114.571 116.748 133.755 112.17 111.667 111.6 112.542 112.977 112.525 113.374 140.976
Valtteri Bottas 184.938 190.348 167.93 162.162 163.142 162.102 162.787 164.118 119.368 120.023 138.25 116.07 115.981 115.801 115.885 116.066 117.909 117.468 116.436 116.37 116.577 116.377 115.693 115.594 115.503 115.456 115.569 115.632 115.539 115.635 115.718 115.546 115.866 116.474 116.452 117.906 119.139 135.3 114.35 114.103 115.91 133.94 146.402
Felipe Massa 187.652 189.538 167.307 162.56 162.897 161.789 162.462 163.876 119.956 117.775 119.599 137.602 115.698 116.369 117.922 117.406 116.342 116.536 117.775 116.366 116.542 115.84 116.215 115.803 115.88 115.835 115.811 115.055 115.645 116.004 115.668 115.379 115.923 116.231 116.649 119.884 135.265 113.45 114.53 115.318 115.612 132.683 146.526
Fernando Alonso 189.504
Daniel Ricciardo 191.285 190.92 168.457 161.872 161.966 162.184 162.625 163.324 120.4 120.132 137.755 117.355 115.924 116.092 116.742 115.16 114.766 114.63 113.708 113.237 113.013 113.145 113.137 112.819 113.576 113.149 113.472 112.958 112.763 112.699 112.92 113.237 112.986 113.368 119.35 134.626 112.231 112.491 114.303 115.166 116.103 115.931 144.703
Kevin Magnussen 192.517 191.362 168.64 161.675 161.557 162.661 162.336 163.265 120.606 120.424 138.045 117.767 117.977 122.69 144.925 117.207 115.148 116.644 117.126 117.507 118.195 119.147 117.682 116.157 115.43 115.165 115.404 114.256 114.77 116.196 114.327 123.558 132.983 114.133 114.055 114.855 113.51 113.912 117.3 137.022 115.284 144.381
Jenson Button 195.346 190.581 168.36 161.968 161.644 162.375 162.291 165.339 137.975 115.522 114.905 114.973 114.873 114.196 114.297 114.296 113.819 114.067 114.171 114.249 114.608 114.104 113.991 113.727 113.931 114.076 113.752 113.562 114.021 117.281 138.057 111.721 113.157 113.22 114.015 114.555 114.856 113.752 114.34 115.014 120.121 135.599 150.422
Sebastian Vettel 197.003 191.493 167.563 161.602 162.295 162.94 160.718 163.202 119.814 118.228 117.511 137.453 115.952 116.256 115.643 114.434 115.373 114.158 113.677 113.607 112.998 112.923 113.404 112.89 113.675 113.74 113.629 115.455 131.522 112.191 111.915 112.323 112.853 113.1 113.475 113.851 117.593 113.299 114.074 115.182 113.965 114.578 141.793
Kimi Raikkonen 201.047 190.05 165.395 162.099 162.129 163.062 160.732 162.037 120.448 121.388 138.333 116.281 117.455 119.151 116.827 116.436 116.639 116.005 116.555 116.398 116.587 119.217 145.755 113.164 115.402 115.116 115.69 115.969 115.988 116.726 116.62 115.837 120.016 134.615 112.426 112.998 112.981 114.433 117.278 115.519 116.423 139.211
Sergio Perez 202.71 190.151 165.854 161.597 161.704 163.454 160.756 161.253 120.895 121.26 140.718 118.426 117.263 117.337 116.872 117.069 116.903 116.572 117.443 116.255 116.748 116.334 116.098 117.937 135.335 113.556 114.991 115.817 114.596 115.273 115.018 115.109 115.668 115.999 115.245 115.537 116.54 116.03 116.774 114.938 116.582 135.225
Daniil Kvyat 203.757 191.393 165.388 162.617 161.581 162.881 161.005 160.402 120.769 122.159 139.605 116.377 116.879 117.498 117.259 117.204 116.541 116.267 116.346 116.551 116.399 118.942 135.207 114.021 114.97 116.186 115.939 115.313 115.226 115.17 115.067 115.086 115.329 115.633 115.95 115.344 116.58 118.926 139.673 115.352 116.635 137.234
Nico Hulkenberg 205.323 192.101 165.871 161.955 161.613 162.313 160.946 160.432 121.068 119.069 117.537 138.161 117.146 117.808 115.415 115.655 116.011 115.244 116.134 118.086 115.905 116.043 116.051 115.945 118.357 133.431 112.814 113.589 114.554 114.821 115.271 115.201 115.362 115.345 115.283 115.883 115.456 115.041 116.289 115.706 116.863 131.289 155.864
Adrian Sutil 206.407 193.316 165.769 162.567 162.114 161.628 160.733 160.402 121.674 119.132 120.227 140.386 117.619 117.34 117.027 116.449 117.015 116.879 117.467 117.256 120.12 139.879 116.429 115.753 115.89 116.334 115.946 117.935 116.399 117.592 122.731 136.232 117.703 119.107 116.677 120.294 117.345 117.379 116.995
Esteban Gutierrez 208.209 195.06 165.779 161.745 162.071 162.123 160.207 159.886 121.994 122.455 140.482 118.475 119.806 117.999 117.221 117.223 118.654 117.632 118.458 117.098 117.053 116.384 116.391 116.199 116.368 116.582 116.397 118.126 118.832 116.81 116.47 116.832 120.413 139.745 117.577 117.818 115.672 115.505 115.372 117.448 120.266 142.085
Romain Grosjean 211.231 194.442 165.246 161.759 162.249 161.715 160.548 158.972 122.742 121.593 140.231 118.183 118.714 116.518 116.506 116.92 116.756 118.537 117.237 119.551 136.065 117.022 115.548 115.731 115.371 116.066 115.302 115.672 115.753 116.854 117.462 116.611 118.962 138.428 118.028 116.643 116.284 115.963 118.081 117.138 116.776 145.87
Marcus Ericsson 273.955 166.498 162.688 161.982 161.479 162.277 161.246 154.334 121.827 125.847 147.767 117.94 118.389 119.459 117.942 116.635 117.215 117.028 116.973 117.471 116.513 115.812 117.174 120.663 138.469 114.669 115.651 115.35 115.418 115.907 115.802 115.761 118.158 118.417 118.069 116.558 115.969 119.955 138.438 115.839 117.661 150.469
Jules Bianchi 214.131 193.899 166.13 161.548 161.49 161.268 160.69 158.047 123.193 119.683 118.052 121.031 142.848 118.115 118.252 118.514 118.402 117.808 117.733 117.405 117.789 117.342 120.591 138.316 119.472 115.985 119.656 116.563 116.469 116.587 117.911 116.991 118.298 118.395 118.661 120.789 117.321 117.283 117.174 117.09
Kamui Kobayashi 216.255 193.952 166.267 161.851 160.901 160.738 160.721 157.704 123.231 122.313 145.107 119.04 119.321 119.067 117.908 118.215 119.129 118.039 118.391 117.704 119.516 117.482 119.965 120.026 124.819 143.021 116.167 115.641 115.644 116.074 115.819 120.225 116.718 116.506 117.02 116.662 122.948 148.235 139.512 116.127 136.988 141.615
Jean-Eric Vergne 219.316 193.533 165.001 162.169 161.274 162.504 161.475 154.329 122.828 122.309 138.635 118.031 118.509 117.949 118.153 117.977 118.139 120.378 135.505 113.622 115.884 117.892 118.013 117.258 116.179 115.155 115.318 115.622 116.268 114.583 114.832 116.31 116.106 113.562 114.1 115.4 114.178 114.469 115.053 114.777 115.66 132.568 143.195
Max Chilton 220.077 195.235 163.796 162.593 160.706 162.051 161.922 154.633 125.106 125.035 143.725 119.388 119.626 118.925 120.504 120.666 119.502 119.299 119.854 118.725 119.166 122.444 139.959 116.472 120.891 117.49 117.631 117.304 119.386 118.57 117.974 117.544 117.205 118.228 121.079 118.571 117.425 117.879 118.841 121.217 137.024 146.215
Pastor Maldonado 222.294 202.407 162.594 162.196 160.809 162.14 161.82 156.697 140.5 123.278 118.255 116.744 118.184 118.267 118.252 117.714 118.096 118.269 116.896 116.784 119.08 135.483 115.421 118.335 114.702 115.179 115.899 115.469 115.932 116.675 115.238 117.215 115.454 115.499 115.023 114.752 116.116 115.25 118.187 144.459 118.126 144.196

Japanese Grand Prix fastest laps

Each driver’s fastest lap:

Rank Driver Car Fastest lap Gap On lap
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’51.600 39
2 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’51.721 0.121 33
3 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’51.915 0.315 32
4 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 1’52.231 0.631 38
5 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1’52.426 0.826 36
6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’52.551 0.951 15
7 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1’52.814 1.214 28
8 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1’53.450 1.850 39
9 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1’53.510 1.910 38
10 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1’53.556 1.956 27
11 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 1’53.562 1.962 35
12 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 1’54.021 2.421 25
13 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1’54.103 2.503 41
14 Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 1’54.669 3.069 27
15 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 1’54.702 3.102 26
16 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1’55.302 3.702 28
17 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1’55.372 3.772 40
18 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 1’55.641 4.041 29
19 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1’55.753 4.153 25
20 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 1’55.985 4.385 27
21 Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 1’56.472 4.872 25
22 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 3’09.504 77.904 1

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123 comments on “Hamilton’s pure pace proves too much for Rosberg”

  1. Yesterday I noticed there were a couple of occasions where the Red Bulls were the fastest cars on track. Looking at the data, it appears that they were the fastest cars for more than 50% of the race. If they would have had a better qualifying, they might have made it a four-way battle for the win. Let’s hope for some rain at Interlagos and see if that’s actually true!

    1. I think Horner has confirmed that Red Bull had wet weather setup which compromised them in qualifying. Also in race they were unable to get past Williams quickly who were fast on straights.

      Important part was start when Mercedes were 5 sec per lap quicker than all and got 36 second on field before pitting. Which gave them advantage in 2nd part of race

    2. Nope Hamilton was getting held up for 26 laps they would not have come close if Ros was not holding him up as soon as Ham was ahead Vet was only catching Ros untill the mistake. Check Ham pace at end of graph he had alot in hand.

      1. After Hamilton passed Rosberg on lap 29, you can see that, despite being faster than Rosberg, he was not faster than Ricciardo on older tyres. After the final stops Hamilton was indeed faster than both Red Bulls, but Vettel was on much older tyres and Ricciardo was stuck behind Button.

        1. Stuck behind Button? It may have seemed that way, but the final sector JB kept pulling away. Also look at the laps, they were pretty even the whole race and it wasn’t till JB pitted for full wets and the being held up by the safety car for what seemed like an eternity till the safety car finally let him and the Caterham pass. Though it was for naught as the race was red-flagged.

    3. Its very simple isnt it? The Bulls pacw was no match for the real Merc pace. as @Dan said, Hamilton was being held up by Rosberg for 29 laps I think it was. The moment he freed himself of Rosberg, you can see the speed at which he pulled away.

      1. Kudos to NR for ‘holding LH up’ for as long as he did with a very oversteery car. That’s racing right? Lol, ‘holding LH up’ is being made to sound like a bad thing, like some offense toward LH, I guess mainly to LH fans though. It was always up to LH to get past NR, and it took DRS and an oversteery NR for him to do it. Without DRS NR might have defended long enough to get in for better tires and a wing adjustment and/or LH would have harmed his tires more in trying to get past NR.

        1. @robbie

          If’s and buts are completely irrelevant. The facts are that Hamilton was much stronger in the race. His pace was impressive once he got the pass done. I’m not sure how much Rosberg was holding him up in the earlier stages, but I wouldn’t say it was for 29 laps. Rosberg was lapping faster early on, so it does look like Hamilton was watching his pace to keep his tyres fresh. He was held up for a few laps, which was clear when he ran wide into t1 and then was right behind again a few corners later. I’m not having a go at Rosberg, but I saw nothing impressive in his defence. On a wet track there will always be one racing line, so keeping a car behind is made easier. I agree and wouldn’t say “holding him up” is a bad thing at all, but equally I wouldn’t call it impressive.

          1. @f190 Fair comment. The degree of impressiveness might be debatable, and only known by NR and crew, but I wouldn’t agree that there is only one line in the wet. In fact, there are far fewer if any marbles to contend with, and often you see drivers seeking out different lines for different grip levels, including seeking out water if there isn’t enough to prevent inters from overheating for example. And LH was taking far different lines to NR, not to mention the DRS pass on the outside where a pass likely would not have been possible in the dry at that spot. So I think it is the opposite and that more racing lines open up when the track is wet, and in the dry the racing line is bordered by marbles on each side which makes it risky to go off line.

          2. dear friend, the lines of NR were wide because he had oversteer, he said 3 times o more since the begining… and LH had a brakes problem, thats why he lost the track 1 time. LH is not a Super driver, he’s a good driver who got advantage over the slippery car of NR. Just that.

          3. I suppose at one point @roobie being under threat behind was good aswell? Seriously at one point no one can deny Ros did look a little under threat from Vett and Button. Ham as soon as he was past was gone.

            Also it is not that hard being infront Rosberg was taking loads of df away first sector for Hamilton. As soon as Ham was ahead we seen how much he pulled. I was thinkng at one point Ros was just too good through sector 1 but it can’t of been helping Hamilton’s tyres. Ham tryes were in far better shape aswel even in dirty air. Ros was looking fine for 5-8 laps on inters then crumbled all of a sudden.

            And you have to admit his wheel to wheel is bad do you think Hamilton gets took over like that lol. We have seen all we need to know in Hungary Spa Monza and now Suzuka he as cracked. Ah well atleast you can console you’re self cheatborg is still in the race i mean Spa? Haha. Gap would be alot bigger.

        2. @robbie
          We can’t verify Nico’s excuses.

          We just know that Lewis was faster, as he usually is.
          And that overtake was just EPIC!
          Let’s see what happens in the next race.

    4. Matthew Coyne
      6th October 2014, 17:33

      There are some odd people on here who try to make some really strange arguments for things.

      The fact is Lewis DOMINATED Rosberg. After overtaking Rosberg he was 4 seconds ahead within 2 laps and the gap ended up being massive at several points in the race, of course he is going to struggle to overtake someone in the same car as him on a track that is difficult to overtake on at the best of times in the wet when he is making sure he makes no contact after Rosbergs cock up in Spa. His overall quickest laptime was over a second quicker than Rosberg.

      I’ve said it several times before, Rosberg is NO MATCH for Hamilton on sheer pace, he has to be fair had the measure of Lewis in qualifying several times either through mistakes or whatever but in the race (The bit you actually get points for) We have seen that over and over again this season Lewis has always had the upper hand, the only race that arguably Rosberg had him was Monaco which is unique anyway, Austria he beat Lewis but Lewis was always gaining on him, it wasn’t like Rosberg was just pulling away like we’ve seen Lewis do in so many races this year. Anyone who tries to argue otherwise needs to look at the facts, Rosberg will only win this title if Lewis has reliability problems, wait and see.

      1. And for me the odd thing is to take this one-second disparity in fastest lap times and try to make that sound like it is the norm between these two drivers. It is not. Therefore wet weather races introduce variances that have me hesitating to use them to do true comparisons between drivers overall. And if NR is no match for LH with nearly the same amount of unreliability, then why is LH only 10 points up? Ask LH if he thinks NR is of no concern. No match. Easy peasy.

        1. @robbie

          Hamilton was 1.2 faster in a wet china qualifying ;)

        2. Matthew Coyne
          6th October 2014, 18:16

          Seriously? Almost the same reliability issues?

          Lewis has had 1 more DNF and 2 starts from the back of the grid/pit lane because of reliability issues in qualifying.

          People seem to forget them when they say reliability is almost equal.

          1. I think both LH and TW both said, after NR’s last dnf, that things were pretty much even. Don’t forget LH caused some of his own grief, and don’t forget NR had a start buggered due to telemetry/radio comm/clutch issues, and he also lost first place in Canada to DR due to the same issue that took LH out of the race.

      2. I’m assuming that wasn’t meant as a reply to my original comment, because that’s not at all what I was implying.

        1. @robbie you miss the point so what Ros could lost 7 pts fact is Ham lost 18. Ham has 1 extra failure and 2 qually problems, gap would be around 25 30 points else.

          1. No the point is that people like to forget that NR also lost points in Canada, and rather prefer to just call Canada a dnf for LH.

          2. @robbie, You’re forgetting that Rosberg would also have lost a lot more points if Hamilton didn’t have DNF’s. It’s not just that Hamilton would have gained points, but Rosberg would have lost some too.

            So Rosberg would hardly gained any points if both Merc drivers had had no technical issues (and no teammates ramming them off). Hamilton would have gained a ton of points though.

            Also you mention Rosberg had some a start telemetry problem. As if that matters. Hamilton did also at Monza and he went on to win the race. Rosberg already had to start way back (because spun off) and in the end made his way back up to 2nd. So it’s not even worth mentioning those incidents. No points difference was the result anyway.

      3. Matthew, if a one second per lap advantage in this race means Lewis DOMINATES and Nico is NO MATCH, what did it mean when Nico pulled away from Lewis by over a second in the first lap?

        Perhaps time differences only count when they’re in Lewis’s favour?

        Or perhaps the explanation that different tyres behave differently and may not have suited one car or driver is not satisfying?

        I’m amazed (and saddened) that sections of the media and many commentators characterise Lewis beating another driver by X margin as “dominating” or similar phrasing but refer to another driver beating him by the same margin as “edging” or “denying” Lewis a victory/pole. It’s a sad lack of objectivity.

        A good example is monza this year: everyone concentrates on Lewis’s performance as being dominant, but ignore the fact that his car was 10km/h faster in a straight line than Nico’s. That’s a dominant advantage, and it was all from the car….

        1. To clarify, I don’t believe that the “pure pace” headline here is a heinous example of media misrepresentation. The BBC website is sadly prone to it however.

        2. @hairs

          I don’t think that’s the case, I’ve seen headlines where it’s the other way as well in regards to “pips and dominates”

          It probably meant that Rosberg could see where he was going and was therefore able to push straight away ,Whereas Hamilton had to wait an extra lap to get the feel ? You can’t seriously compare one lap to a whole GP. And the first lap in wet conditions as well.

          If his car was faster in a straight line then he obviously went a different way on setup. This is just part of the process for drivers.

          I don’t remember reading anything where it started Hamilton dominated in Monza, as it was quite a close race overall. But he did have the pace over Rosberg as having to come back from 4th , close down a 5 second gap and then overtake and build a 5 second gap isn’t easy. If his set up had something to do with that then so be it. It shouldn’t be used to take away from his win, if anything it should add to it as an additional skill.

          1. Lewis is well known for having raw talent; he’s also well known for being “very reliant on his engineers” for anything to do with setup, strategy or car performance (ref: the grand telemetry tantrum).

            If his car had a 10kph advantage, the one certainty is that the setup wasn’t his suggestion. So no, that doesn’t qualify as his skill. If you don’t think it’s relevant to how he closed the gap that quickly on a circuit which is over 70% full throttle, then I suggest you have another think about it.

          2. Ryan (@ryanisjones)
            7th October 2014, 1:13

            @hairs… I think you got the telemetry issue the wrong way round. Hamilton was “rightly” criticising the engineers for giving him a set up that was at a deficit to Buttons. The reason the tweet was condemned was because it was leaking Maclaren data. Not because Hamilton was incorrect.

            It is also wildly “known” that Button copied Hamilton’s set up many more times than Hamilton did his. It is also well known that Rosberg’s engineers gave him a dossier on Hamilton’s driving style and that Rosberg is the biggest offender of being told how to drive by his engineers. Please listen to any interview this year where Hamilton talks about his driving. The idea that he needs the engineers input more than Rosberg is… Misguided.

            Basically, it is common knowledge that the opposite of what you have said is true.

          3. @ryanisjones In spa that year, Hamilton chose a higher downforce setup which meant that his car was faster in one sector, while Button’s was faster in another. However the net laptime should have been the same. Lewis wasn’t able to get the speed when he should have, and that’s why he lost.

            Not only did he have to apologise for tweeting confidential data, he had to apologise for blaming his engineers for his failure. This was analysed extensively at the time so it’s not a matter of opinion at all.

            Button often copied Barrichello’s setup in Brawn (to the extent that Ross had to publicly tell Rubens not to hide setup information) but there’s no evidence he did so with Lewis. Given his very different driving style and the fact that Lewis relies on the engineers (see years of radio transmissions where he expressed confusion about strategy and setup), it’s more likely that both drivers went with engineer suggestions than that one driver copied the other.

          4. Ryan (@ryanisjones)
            7th October 2014, 12:19

            @hairs Button gained 1.1 seconds on the straights, Hamilton gained 0.7 seconds in the corners. Net loss 0.4 seconds. This was despite Hamilton breaking later (read – driving quicker) than Button. Hence set up cost him.

            Hamilton is more famous for arguing with his engineers than he is for needing their advice. You have chosen him arguing with his engineers as the reason for him relying on them more than others but that line of argument makes no sense. Was it not three races ago he went against a strategy call saving himself loosing a place? Do those team messages show him relying on his engineers too?

            Lastly, no evidence for Button? Really? Google it. We also know that Rosberg gets data on Hamilton’s driving style. Using these two pieces of information, how can you deduce that Hamilton is more reliant on his engineers. He is clearly better at setting up cars than his previous two team mates.

        3. Matthew coyne
          6th October 2014, 22:53

          There is a difference between being quicker over a lap or two and being CONSISTENTLY quicker. There has been the odd race but look through the Calendar at the races to date, the majority of races Lewis has been consistently quicker. The only race that rosberg really had the measure of Hamilton was Monaco which is unique, Austria Hamilton caught but couldn’t pass.

          As for Rosberg losing the odd position to reliability that does not add up to another DNF or two destroyed qualifying which were rescued by 2 masterful drives.

          1. Lewis has very often had to rescue races this year from his own mistakes.

            It is possible to acknowledge his flaws as well as his strengths, and that the difference in performance between him and button, or him and Rosberg is not as great (or as straightforward) as a dedicated fan might like to admit.

          2. @hairs

            I think you’re wrong with regards to the speed difference. It was in fact Rosberg who had the faster speed in qualifying.

            The reason for the gap in the race is DRS. So Hamilton didn’t have that advantage every Lap. So what’s your excuse now ?

          3. @hairs

            Actually, you’re wrong again – Button copied Hamiltons set-up in Valencia.


          4. @f190 I assume this comment should be a little bit above, but you’ll notice I said “often copied”. No doubt one driver or the other uses a setup tried by the other driver, however as I said in the case of Rubens vs. Button, Rubens designed the setup, whereas in McLaren it was very clear that neither Lewis or Jenson were the primary movers regarding setup: the engineers were. It’s not a strength of either one of them and both were liable to complain about “balance issues” they couldn’t understand in order to explain poor performances.

          5. @hairs

            Your view of Hamilton is evident from previous posts. You tried to discredit his win in Monza by saying he had a “dominant advantage” due to his car being quicker which simply isn’t the case. If you agree he had a dominant advantage then that is 100% down to the driver as Rosberg had the faster car ( speed trap figures) in qualifying and was also only 0.4 kph slower over their respective fastest average speed laps ( which takes into consideration the whole lap ). Any speed advantage was created by Hamilton, not the car.

            You tried to discredit his performance in Suzuka by saying he was 1 second slower than Rosberg on the first lap, which makes no difference to his dominance that race.

            You’ve tried to explain that any advantage Hamilton has is down to his engineers rather than his skill in driving and set-up.

            On all three of your arguments you’ve been proved wrong and cases have been provided to back this up ( unlike many of your arguments.)

            It’s clear you have something against Hamilton, which is your personal choice and you may have your reasons for. But sometimes you have to just give credit where its due, rather than trying to continuously discredit someone with false information.

          6. @f190
            Speed trap figures for Monza, from the FIA:
            Hamilton : 358.6
            Rosberg : 331.0

            You’re saying I’m making things up, and that 20kph on a circuit which is 70%+ full throttle is nothing to do with the car setup, and doesn’t explain any of the laptime advantage?

            Rosberg wasn’t pressing the throttle pedal?

            How did I get to the FIA to falsify this data which I’m discrediting people who disagree with me, exactly?

          7. @hairs

            As I’ve already pointed out the difference was due to DRS. Rosberg didn’t have has the opportunity to use it. Think about it, he was leading till after the pit stops, then when he made his mistake he fell a few seconds behind Hamilton, and stayed there until the end of the race. DRS would make around 20 kph difference, so it adds up.

            Its completely illogical to think that Hamiltons car was 20kph faster every lap, as it simply wasn’t.

            Rosberg had the fastest car in qualifying, that does’t just disappear and turn into a 20kph disadvantage overnight…

          8. @f190 so… Rosberg never, ever, even once, during the whole race, ever used drs?

            Hamilton was the only other driver on the track?

            No backmarkers? Ever?

            That’s some run of bad luck.

          9. @hairs

            He may have used it in the other DRS zone, but it doesn’t look like he had it where the speed trap was.

            Rosberg was leading until lap 29 and hadn’t lapped anyone by that stage. He then fell behind hamilton by 2.6 seconds, which Hamilton slowly kept extending. DRS was disabled for a few laps due to Alonso, which only leaves around 20 laps where Rosberg would have had the chance. There were also two DRS zones and a straight for lapped cars to get out of the way.

            You’re constantly looking for reasons to discredit Hamilton, but the simple fact is there isn’t any in this race, sorry.

            Its the only logical explanation for the speed difference. And looking at the race it makes perfect sense.

          10. @f190

            So, first I was biased, then I was lying, then the whole race Rosberg couldn’t use drs at all, now he could possibly have used it, but not where it could be measured? And that’s the *only* logical explanation to you? Strange that your definition of the *only* possible explanation has changed so many times, no?

            One of us is desperately stretching here. It isn’t me.

            All I have dared to suggest is that Hamilton is an extremely fast driver with several flaws, and that he is not as dominantly invincible as some of his fans may like to believe.

            Like I have said multiple times, it is possible to look at drivers objectively. This isn’t football. Blind unthinking allegiance isn’t necessary. It’s a complex sport where the driver is one element. Just because Rosberg beats Hamilton one week doesn’t mean it’s going to happen every week. Equally, just because Hamilton is much faster one week, doesn’t mean it’ll be the same another week.

            Being a fan of one particular driver shouldn’t blind you to his flaws. They all have flaws.

          11. @hairs

            You’ve completely mis-understood almost everything I’ve said, so I’ll re-explain them again for you.

            “So, first I was biased” – still the case, I’ve seen your past comments regarding Hamilton and its clear what your opinion of him is. My mind hadn’t changed in this regard at all.

            “then I was lying” – I never directly said you were lying, but you were spreading false facts without any information to back those up. Facts about set-up which you know nothing about.

            “then the whole race Rosberg couldn’t use drs at all” – I never actually said that at all. I said Rosberg didn’t have DRS where the speed trap was. You do realise that there is one point where the speed figure is taken ? Which happens to be in a DRS zone. In that zone its clear to see Rosberg didn’t have DRS as if he did his top speed would have been much higher.

            “now he could possibly have used it, but not where it could be measured? ” – Again, he could have used it in the second DRS zone, where indeed there is NO speed trap.

            I’ll say it one more time just incase you don’t understand. There is only ONE point on the track where the drivers top speed is taken. To keep everything universal for all drivers, this is at the SAME point of the track for every driver ( on the main straight ). This point is in a DRS ZONE. A driver with DRS will be able to get much higher top speed than someone without it. It’s therefore clear that Rosberg DIDN’T have DRS in the zone where the top speed is taken, hence his speed was much lower ! Understand ?

            “One of us is desperately stretching here. It isn’t me.” – I’m sorry but it is. You’ve tried to belittle my argument by saying how I’ve changed my mind, when none of my opinions have changed at all. From the start I’ve said you’re bias against Hamilton, You’ve stated your wrong opinion as fact,and that Rosberg DIDN’T have DRS in the ONE speed trap where the figures are taken.

            It sounds like you don’t understand about how the top speed figures are taken, so I hope this helps.

            I don’t deny he has flaws, thats not the issue here. The issue is yourself trying to discredit someone who’s done the better job by saying ” he had a 20kph advantage” which simply isn’t true.

          12. @hairs

            lol who cares he was faster last i checked Hamdid not pass him NR cracked and went off.

  2. This comes from Formula 1 fan.

    Fact is Hamilton is better driver than Rosberg. Those who have seen races know, Hamilton is good at overtaking, better at saving fuel and tyres than Rosberg. Also in wets

    Rosberg has 1 lap pace but Hamilton is complete package. Hamilton has had more bad luck in quali this year and bad start yet recovered in races.

    1. Formula 1 fan also, but I believe that Hamilton is not quite as complete as others make him out to be. He suffers with reliability, and people who quote Silverstone 2008 forget Canada 2011 (where he was already making mistakes before the collision with Button) and China 2007 (Where he really should have come in earlier, and therefore lost the championship)

      Yes, he was dominant in Silverstone, and was faster this weekend, but to say he’s ‘brilliant in the wet’ seems to ignore some of the mistakes he’s made in previous races

      1. @keeleyobsessed you are not getting the point! Making a mistake doesnt mean he is not mean what @nin13 said is not true.

        For clarification:

        1. Canada 2011, he was faster than Button. In my view Button put him on the wall when he tried to overtake Button.

        2. China 2007, the team left him out despite knowing his tyres had gone. If memory serves he wanted to come in but the team kept him out until his tyres were virtually driving on the rims.

        Yes, he was dominant in Silverstone and dominant this weekend again but some of Lewis best races have been in the wet. So how you can discount that I can’t fathom. Just look at previous races and you will see

        1. Button couldn’t see him through the spray, therefore couldn’t have “put him in the wall”. Lewis chose to drive, foolishly, into a narrowing gap up against a wall, rather than take the equally quick safe route.

          There are easily as many examples of poor racecraft as there are amazing overtakes in his repertoire.

          Nico is nowhere near as far off Lewis’s pace as his fans (or he) would like to think.

      2. Give him a break, he was a rookie in 2007 yet led the WDC.

        1. He did better than that:he finished 2nd by 1 point?was it not?on his very 1st year with Alonso”the beast”fernando as team mate.2 time world champion.but again Ricciardo just gave Vettel a beating too:a 4 TIMES CONSECUTIVE world champion.but again Red bull had unfair advantage for 4 years and Ricciardo is on his 3rd year?or 4th in F1?Hamilton had never been there prior to 2007.

      3. @keeleyobsessed– I think, I was comparing Hamilton and Rosberg. I did not say Hamilton is best on grid or something. And no where I said Hamilton is better at improvoing car life. Though, I don’t get how a driver can destroy F1 car.

        Crash in wets is something that happened to great drivers too.
        For example MSC 1996 Monaco he crashed, trashed field at 1997 Monaco. Then again 1997 Spa thrashed the field, crashed into Coulthard at 1998 Spa
        Completely agree with @pking008 about those races.

        1. @nin13 I even remember Senna crashing once in the wet…

      4. You picked a race where he blew away mixed-conditions guru Jenson Button (after being put off the track) and a mixed-conditions race where he put 20s into the awesome Fernando Alonso, until his team left him driving on kevlar.

        Two examples of him being, er, brilliant in the wet :)

        In 6 years there probably are some wet-race fails, but these aren’t.

        1. Button was even a lap down during that race at some point, because he kept on picking the wrong tyres.

          Only a whole slew of safety cars helped him make his way back. Of course punting off two of his main rivals helped massively too.